These Ships

[Age]

The Enterise seen in ToS is class by itself not 1701-A but the on in the TV searies as wellas seen in the ST1,ST2 and ST3.

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Kelvin Class
Antares Class
Kobayashi Maru Class

I have never seen this ships unless you are talking about the latest movie which takes place in an alternate timesline.

[TheAlpha]

Age @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:30 pm wrote:

The Enterise seen in ToS is class by itself not 1701-A but the on in the TV searies as wellas seen in the ST1,ST2 and ST3.

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Kelvin Class
Antares Class
Kobayashi Maru ship

I have never seen this ships unless you are talking about the latest movie which takes place in an alternate timesline.

then you need to watch more startrek if you havent seem em...
and even tho its an "alternate" timeline....the noobs out there at Paramount still conside those ships "canon"
although i myself consider them "Quasi-Canon" ,
watch more ToS (remasterd) u will see the Antares class. and try reading my posts and taking them to heart, im not making this crap up.
i might not know 100% about ST but i am a die hard fan and i do know some stuff.

and no offense but try to be more clear in what u r saying? half the time i cant make out wjat u r saying....srry?

[Age]

I am being clear in what I am saying and your posts aren't that great but however.Here is a link in The Cage the first movie out for TOS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=401268

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059753/

That was the pilot this is the first episode.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before_(episode)


Go out and find me a link to those ships.

I have split this from The Waffle thread so it stays that way.Waffle thread is not up for debating or discussions of this nature.

[TheAlpha]

my posts are not meant to be great, but point out a fact, thatyou cant obviously understand?

do your own homework and dont be a "poor sport" mate
i just cant understand what ur saying because your posting grammar is all broken up (at times)?

and IF i miss a word or two in spelling thats cus im "legally blind" and see outta 1 eye,and use a magnifying glass headset to see my screen, whats your excuse?


my posts are completely undertsandable so dont try and turn it around on me man im just pointing out that i cant understand you because your grammar in your posting is broken at times, anyone can see that..

and those ships are canon and or are in canon movies or tv series,do exist...do your homework before going "toe to toe" with me!.
anyone whos a True Trek fan and knows there stuff Knows im right.

Ive already proved you worng that 3 nacelle ships are "canon" just stop will ya?

this isnt even a Debate Mate,its a pointless discussion, you just plain dont know and thats not my fault.

take no offense man Just being real thats all -)

any further insults you plan to use please PM me with, and lets keep the boards civil shall we ?

"A Lack of Research cultivates Ignorance"--Albert Einstein

[Growler67]

According to : http://www.ditl.org/ The Antares was the name of a Constellation Class ship, The Kelvin Class is valid and the Kobayashi Maru isn't a Class at all. The Kobayashi Maru is the fictional name of a ship/lab used at Starfleet Academy used in mission training.

I typed in "antares" into the search. The name appeared at the bottom of the Constitution Class Ships page when listing registry names. Not a seperate class.

[TheAlpha]

there are 2 ToS eps, "Charlie X" and "Court Martial".

you will Briefly see the Antares class vessel there in those episodes.
registry NCC-501

also even though the Kobayashi maru is in a small scene in the New trekkie movie, that scene still validates it as a "ship of class" in the Trek alternatetimeline, whether its shooting at another ship, or in a simulator, "a ship after all is a ship"
and even though i do not consider th Kelvin, and Maru "canon" some in Trek society do.

[Growler67]

Typed "Charlie X" into the search and came up with:

Ship Names : Antares Class :
NCC 501 USS Antares

Unusual that they list it as a Class AND a registry name in the Episod details, but nothing on the Class in the Federation Ships section. That site is remarkably cross referenced and cross linked on everything else I've looked up there. First anomoly I have encuntered there in the MANY years I have been/visited/used that site. Just sayin'.

[TheAlpha]

Growler67 @ Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:56 pm wrote:

Typed "Charlie X" into the search and came up with:

Ship Names : Antares Class :
NCC 501 USS Antares

Unusual that they list it as a Class AND a registry name in the Episod details, but nothing on the Class in the Federation Ships section. That site is remarkably cross referenced and cross linked on everything else I've looked up there. First anomoly I have encuntered there in the MANY years I have been/visited/used that site. Just sayin'.

Star Trek is so full of anomolies.
in the DS9 Ep "Trials and Tribble-ation", Sisko meets Kirk and exclaims to his friend that the Enterprise is the "first" Federation ship to be named "Enterprise"

then Braga and Co. come along and invent the "Enterpise" series and contradict what Sisko says....lmao

in STII Lt Savik is in a Sim with the ToS Gang and the Sim Labels the Enterprise 1701-A Ship as a "Enterprise Class", then Later in the Movie Scottie has blueprints that show "Constitution Class" of the Enterprise.

Supposedly the new variation was supposed to be dubbed as a Enterpise class, but the Producers of the movie changed their minds and went back with Constitution class instead.

hers another, in ST2 The 1st ever look of the Excelsior shows her with a registry starting with a "NX"
then in STIII she has the NCC-2000 Reg......ahhhhh dont ya jus Love anamolies ( or screw ups)

[Gray]

TheAlpha @ Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:06 pm wrote:

hers another, in ST2 The 1st ever look of the Excelsior shows her with a registry starting with a "NX"
then in STIII she has the NCC-2000 Reg......ahhhhh dont ya jus Love anamolies ( or screw ups)

Thats because in ST:II she was still an experimental prototype. In III she is a fully commissioned ship of the line.

(It's actually the Defiant that is "odd" by keeping it's NX registry into active service, as NX registries class the ship as under Federation R&D/ science command/control opposed to starfleet command and or control [NCC registries]) - I omit the "NX class" from Enterprise as thats a very stupid and clear error on the producers part.

You may (or may not) have noticed that the Excelsior studio model also changed between ST:II and ST:III physically as well (mostly the central and aft flank of the dorsal side of the saucer) which is reflective of the ship entering active service after trials and a few minor tweaks.

[Age]

TheAlpha @ Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:27 pm wrote:

my posts are not meant to be great, but point out a fact, thatyou cant obviously understand?

do your own homework and dont be a "poor sport" mate
i just cant understand what ur saying because your posting grammar is all broken up (at times)?

and IF i miss a word or two in spelling thats cus im "legally blind" and see outta 1 eye,and use a magnifying glass headset to see my screen, whats your excuse?


my posts are completely undertsandable so dont try and turn it around on me man im just pointing out that i cant understand you because your grammar in your posting is broken at times, anyone can see that..

and those ships are canon and do exist...do your homework before going "toe to toe" with me!.
anyone whos a True Trek fan and knows there stuff Knows im right.

Ive already proved you worng that 3 nacelle ships are "canon" just stop will ya?

this isnt even a Debate Mate,its a pointless discussion, you just plain dont know and thats not my fault.

take no offense man Just being real thats all -)

any further insults you plan to use please PM me with, and lets keep the boards civil shall we ?

"A Lack of Research cultivates Ignorance"--Albert Einstein

There is nothing wrong with my posting if most here can understand it.I am not turning this around either after all this time you bringing this up.I am on way many more boards and do a great deal of wring and talking on the phone at work.I am a lefty with right hand keyboard.

Where are your links then don't start this on me Alpha or you know what will happen?

[TheAlpha]

Yeah Gray that defiant is a very odd registry....lol

Age-

whatever man, dont threaten me with "you know what will happen?"

that means nothing to me and ive done nothing wrong here.

Ive done nothing wrong here but point a a few facts that you are badly mistaken on, if you cant handle that then thats not my fault, i asked ya to pm me if you had an aissue,

i guess you dont know how to do that right? instead you come back here and threaten me.......not col man not cool at all.

[Age]

This comes from someone who know Star Trek best as in Kirks era.He is very well know in the SFC community.

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 08:59:35 pm »

1. no Kelvin class did not exist in any TOS books or episodes.. no mention or indication of such.

2. no The name Antares for a starship was first used in the TOS episode "Charlie X", but screen evidence of the vessel is missing and the registry remained unknown .. now if you go by the REMASTERED TOS series - Antares was finally visible in the remastered version of the TOS episode of 2007. The CGI design is a modification of the cargo drone from TAS: "More Tribbles, More Troubles". (quoted from http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/antares.htm)

3. no Class III neutron fuel carrier named Kobayashi Maru and even then it is a simualtion ship.. Computer generated, does not exist.

None of these were even created or thought of in the original TOS series.. only created afterwards . The Anteries class was mentioned as the ship in the original "Charlie-X", but the ship's design was never seen.. only "Invented" for the REMASTERED version in 2007.

These ship were never even mentioned in the board game StarFleet Battles.Armadillo Design Bureau ADB took the names from ToS.These ships aren't mentioned in SFC 1 and 2 are based on elements from it.It is not even in my shiplists.

The Kelvin is a Star Trek XI ship,Anatares as said above ship.Kobayashi Maru is simulator.

[TheAlpha]

a fact is a fact...sigh

[Age]

This is not opinion it is fact and if you can't live it to BAD!!!

[TheAlpha]

Age @ Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:44 pm wrote:

This is not opinion it is fact and if you can't live it to BAD!!!

lol

you just proved me right tyvm ....lol

so what the big issue here cus all i was stating is that these are 23rd century ships???lol

you are the one that said "i have never seen these ships" and i as well as others pointed out they do exist and your source backed me up.....lol

u r the one making a big deal out of it by asking others and trying to make a issue about it..because you have never seen them or dont know much about Trek ships, sorry man but, thats not my fault....lol
The Kelvin is in a canon movie, the antares is in the remasterd version of Tos so thats add more canon to a ship like that(actually Mark Okuda added the antares in the remasterd version because it was mentioned in both ToS eps but never shown, so he added the Antares and the registry to make it canon thefore validating it as a canon ship)
and the maru was in a sim in a quasi canon movie....so wtf is the big deal here?????



your Trek source backed me up but did it in a little more words than what i said...lmfao

so he proved me right after all they exist in film and remasterd TV(whether thay are a class or a ship,) series so like whats the big deal here

read my posts above and you'll see i said this all alongthat they exist..........haha