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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:01 pm Rate Post

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So Vic, what do you want us to do? Not buy the next star trek game?


That already happened with Dominion Wars and Starfleet Command 3/Elite Force 2, it cost S&S there license in the end (but it was due up anyway) and ultimately caused Activision to throw a hissy fit and sue Paramount and looking it at closely i now really cant blame Activision for sueing Paramount one bit.

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Flame harry and several other sites to bits... Do you honestly believe that you, me or anyone else could actually influence the quality of newer games?


As far as i know only the STGD has had the backbone to stand up against Paramount and take on Harry Lang and this was even before the whole fall out betwen STGU and STGD back in 2004.  Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO.  Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time.  All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out.  All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007.

As for fan sites affecting how games are made.  1993 to 1999 seen Interplay, Taldren and Microprose actually WORK with the community sites 10 times more than that mob from Perpetual is just now, take a look at the games that was released back then, they are all hailed as classic's.  Blizzard works real close to the fan sites and there games have features and patch modifications that the fan base request.  Star Trek games aint exactly new cutting edge technology, apart from the older games most of the new ones have bassically been "lets take an existing game engine and stick ships and phasers in it". If more of the fan base back in 2001 stood with the old STCD and the clans of that time we wouldnt be in the state of affairs we are in just now.

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How do you expect to do this when you cut the links with the people in charge...they're not going to resign, theyll just stop listening period....wow nice plan.


What makes you think they are listening just now?  As for cutting links to Paramount, not my problem, it will be Paramounts problem when this network is back up to capacity.

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MMORPG's are always late..I expect it will be delayed nothing new there. The things I have read to date


So you are just gonna sit there and not bother to ask why?  Why are they still asking for staff?  Why has there been absolutely no concept shots or art?  Why do they honestly think with the current state of the trek game franchise that an MMORPG thats pay for play will be viable?  I asked some questions some time ago, they suddenly vanished off the STGD board for 2 weeks and didnt bother to reply and those same questions are still being asked and guyess what...no answer.

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Oh, no need to flame be about stgu...I dont see you giving much news about the future about trek gaming lately. I just do the news and content updates for STO...Eagely anticipating a new game..yet again


Well if you have been paying attention you might have noticed that the site has been down for the past 2 months as for the future of trek gaming it's being handled right now by this site seeings that STGU has basically black balled the major fleets from your own forum.

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Nor has there been much but slandering paramount, sto and sto fansites... What happened to going back to the old STCD? When vic are you going to stop posting [censored] on your mainpage and come up with new ideas that actually help the community.


I have only slandered ONE SINGLE STO fan site due to the fact they slandered us first by letting a moron post in there forum.  Looks like you aint been looking close at whats going on...again...which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start.  As for coming up with ideas to help the community...yeah i will...the STGD community cause none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD.  Hell, even some STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA.   Coming to think of it Jaz, why dont you ask Chessmess about him leaving the trek game community?  Remember that?  He said he was gonna leave STGU and leave it in the hands of Trickster, low and behold, STGD manage to get the first interview with lang who had been silent for 2 years and Chessmess comes scurrying back.

He's left the scene 3 times already...i left only once, and even then i was still running this site.  Dont tell me what i should do to help the community...for 2 years before STGU got big STCD WAS the community.

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They dont need us to tell them what to do...they know the eexpectations already


They dont know, cause everyone is too scared to tell them...i aint.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:06 pm Rate Post

The biggest problem is we are so used to averge to below standard games now we dont complain.

Hell, perpetual could release whats is essentially Anarchy Online with phasers (anarchy is now 5 years old) and no one would think twice.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:20 pm Rate Post

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Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO.  Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time.  All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out.  All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007.


What about all the forums Harry visits, especially startrek.com where people spoke of wanting new games, does that not count? I suppose Viacom don't have a lot of experience at product making.

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1993 to 1999 seen Interplay, Taldren and Microprose actually WORK with the community sites 10 times more than that mob from Perpetual is just now, take a look at the games that was released back then, they are all hailed as classic's.


Didn't you believe Taldren caused a split in the SFC community?

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STGU has basically black balled the major fleets.


I'd appreciate it if you could link me to where evidence of this is. I'll take your statement under advisement, I can't remember why we never started a clan directory.

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which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start


Yep we are really proud of him he finished our course with a distinction. If only I could find our training posts on the forum...

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none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD.


Yeah, it was horrible of us not to link to your directories on our game sites and plugging your site's status in our news. Excluding you from using our news system was really harsh too.

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STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA.


Again it was really nasty for us not to plug you and pay thanks to WT when we posted the interview and claimed it for our own.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:33 am Rate Post

Your own members said it in other forums, Jaz was even one of them.  What is it with you anyway Stylsy, someone doesnt agree with STGU's ideals and everyone gets upset.  At least we dont ban the entire staff of a site from OUR forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:22 am Rate Post

Katherine @ Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:33 am wrote:
Your own members said it in other forums, Jaz was even one of them.  What is it with you anyway Stylsy, someone doesnt agree with STGU's ideals and everyone gets upset.  At least we dont ban the entire staff of a site from OUR forum.


I said what? I dont accuse you of much...I only complain about the bashing thats plastered over your not so gracious frontpage nowadays...how thats supposed to resolve Trek gaming problem god knows...

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As far as i know only the STGD has had the backbone to stand up against Paramount and take on Harry Lang and this was even before the whole fall out betwen STGU and STGD back in 2004.  Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO.  Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time.  All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out.  All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007.


My posts on stgu were quite clear I EXPECTED A GAME BEFORE STO..I think I even wrote this somewhere post-STO announcement. So before you proclaim a victory for yourself it was quite obvious that theres mroe than enough time before late 2007 before STO release for the license to be sorted and a game(s) to come out.  here.


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So you are just gonna sit there and not bother to ask why?  Why are they still asking for staff?  Why has there been absolutely no concept shots or art?  Why do they honestly think with the current state of the trek game franchise that an MMORPG thats pay for play will be viable?  I asked some questions some time ago, they suddenly vanished off the STGD board for 2 weeks and didnt bother to reply and those same questions are still being asked and guyess what...no answer.


Send mitch an email..No concept art or screenshots are released probably because of a marketing scam...I remember they did alot of this with SWG. Pay to play is more than viable especially when you have hardcore fans...infact perpetuals product will be more inelastic to price changes than other mmos outthere. Im pretty sure an economist or a businessman has the figures figured somehwere along the line..

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I have only slandered ONE SINGLE STO fan site due to the fact they slandered us first by letting a moron post in there forum.  Looks like you aint been looking close at whats going on...again...which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start.


STGU folk that started something YOU didnt start? links pls..

As for Startrek-online.net. You cannot hold the site responsible like you do for their actions. That topic was already locked well before you started your bashing campaign against them. I was very observant thanks...I pmmed that guy as soon as  I saw that post and asked him to refrain from bashing as it would probably lead to something ugly... Well you took the bait regardless *shrug*

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cause none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD.  Hell, even some STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA.


Do you know why STGU/AU has never had a clan directory? Or many a mod directory as such...Its because of STCD/STGD...We sent all our members to yourplace in that department or did you forget about that? Did you also forget that you used the portal and got countless hits from that....and viceversa ofcourse. Did you also know it was probably much easier for the community that way? I ceretainly read STGD news when it was on there I didnt take asmuch notice before.

As for people saying the interview is chessmess' idea links pls....

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Coming to think of it Jaz, why dont you ask Chessmess about him leaving the trek game community?  Remember that?  He said he was gonna leave STGU and leave it in the hands of Trickster, low and behold, STGD manage to get the first interview with lang who had been silent for 2 years and Chessmess comes scurrying back.

He's left the scene 3 times already...i left only once, and even then i was still running this site


Really?
1) He left AU in the hands of Trickster - True
2) He went on temporary leave TO FIND A JOB
3) He just said Trickster & Stylsy was taking the helm.

Thats once... As for the interview...Chess didnt leave so how he "came back" I would like know..

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Dont tell me what i should do to help the community...for 2 years before STGU got big STCD WAS the community.

Why isnt STCD the community now? Infact, does anyone listen to you nowadays...im betting half the hits are from people like me looking for some entertaining [censored] that you publish nowadays...keep it coming it makes me laugh occasionally (especially the parts where stgu is brought into the news somehow..somewhere..like the cause of all evil is a guy named Chessmess with a site called STGU with minions running around do his evil work ) :fire

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They dont know, cause everyone is too scared to tell them...i aint.

Neither am I...feel free to read my carebear thread on the STO forums..or about the species (or the lack of) (which i might add has improved now)...

Oh and some advice to you...the community would benefit if you kept your mouth shut. How you expect developers, publishers to take you seriously (or your site and even the community) when your bashing them, the publishers, paramount, the community itself and other fansites is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:55 am Rate Post

well about every mmo comin out late, i have to call bs, look at WoW, they said it was coming out on this date, and all around the world on these dates, and guess what, they were, the reason u pay for a mmorpg is because they ADD content, so what if content isnt realesed when it comes out, wait for a content patch to come out, i play WoW, and all i can say is that i cant wait for STO, full content at beginning or end

thats my 2 cents  :fire2
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