FLEET ADMIRAL NELSON "UNOFFICIALLY" DEPOSED

[=GK= Darkstar]

High Councils = Disaster

High Commands = Same

Any Feddy style clan never works like a clan that is democratic and has its members voting for things as a clan. You need people doing jobs and leading areas but start going all council and boys club and your clan will die like many before.

[[RK]Starbuck]

It has nothing to do with there being a council it has to do with keeping a leash on your recruits. Like [SF]Ranger trying to recruite RS members and Damien acts like it's a joke where Dan and RS got mad. They should have booted him from SF instead they let it go. Which is where they will fall they let their members off of everything when they should be punished.

[=GK= Darkstar]

I respect your opinion, but I disagree

After being in Feddy clans with councils they never become very big or grow in a way thats long term as they are normally bossed by young people that need power and sit on their councils causing all the normal members to feel beneith them.

Real lasting clans that have a good foundation and grow month on month in a good way and have strong retention dont need councils but prefer a much more business like and democratic approach where all the members vote on important things. Giving them nobody to blame.

You should not have to keep a leash on your recruits, you should have people to do that for you and empower your members to not need leading about like a pet.

I have 300 plus active members and there is no way a council would work in this clan, we triewd it and got rid of it and we never looked back

[Gray]

just stick with a dictatorship.......worked for us for 7 years or so.....not very friendly seeming but it gets things done........plus when its a pretty small clan no one gets ignored and everyones opinions are taken into account...but at the end of the day a decsion will be made quickly and not take a million years to sort out......only then to fall apart when somone doesnt like it.......we've had the same leader since around 01....and petty much the same members with a few additions since then....nice small and stable......but then again i have a feeling this style may not work at all well in a large clan where everyone ants to feel envolved......and where you have a load of younger players (he says only being 18) who can be slightly over zealous......

[=GK= Darkstar]

Sorry you had a dictatorship, Im not surprised it didnt work out.

Let me explain it to you in more simple ways

=GK= Clan has 15 games divisions, each games division is run by its CO like a mini clan, and all major decisions are decided by the WHOLE clasn in a vote, if you find a dictatorship in history like that then you may win a prize.

The CO's and their teams run their divisions according to basic rules and regs we have never changed for years and they do it well without interfereing from Feddy councils who most of the time dont even play games but dwell on forums.

How can a Feddy council that never plays games manage a gaming clan? THEY CANT.

Above the CO's we have one guy to support the military wing and one to support the Sci Fi wing, who are there only to mediate disputes or support the CO's

You choose to have a small clan then thats fine with me, but I like a big community of gamers who are in charge of their own clan with me funding some of the servers and making the odd decision, and an admin doing all the website stuff.

Works great for us.

The Council we had was a joke and a waste of time, also full of people that were power hungry.

[[RK]Starbuck]

Well there is working proof that your wrong it is called RS. It has a council and some would concider it a dictatorship. RS is one of the most powerful clans as well as one of the oldest .

[Gray]

were still going...so for us a dictatorship works.....a dictatorship only fails if the person in power is a complete di@k head which unfortunately in ST gaming there are far to many....and as i said....a dictatorship may not be for everyone....but it is the most efficient hierarchy going...........
and as Starbuck points out....what is viewed as a dictatorship works on a large scale to........
it all boils down to the kind of people in the clan....being small lets you weed out noobs and such a like who are to self rightous and self opinionated and generally screw a clan up........

at the end of the day you have different ways of doing things to suit your situation and the people involved.......this is why there is no right or wrong way to run a clan in general.....only for specific fleets/clans

[=GK= Darkstar]

=GK= is the most active multigame clan on the net mate, and I am far from wrong

RS is a good clan but not as large or strong with servers as the =GK= and I know lots of ex RS who have defected to the USA clan, UFDF SFX SFI and they didnt like your council. RS was large once and powerfull, but not anymore, which is proof Im right about councils

I cant see where you get the dictatorship thing from unless you are not reading my posts

Also Being small does not let you weed out noobs, being big with a good management structure does, our people are invited to join and we dont allow people to join by asking, they then get screened on team speak and get a skill trial.

Also we have a higher age limit than most

Small clans in Trek are the ones that ruined Trek gaming like BC for example which is dominated by idiots like RNGD and USA EF clans who are full of children and flamers.

Sorry but small clans are not the way ahead, they are too busy trying to stay active and alive and recruiting kids

[Gray]

the way ahead is the way that works best........we have never had any of this BS thats going around with clans splitting, reforming, alienating its members.....

when your small and have a closed door policy.....trust me you can weed out the noobs.......unlike large clans we dont have hundereds of people magically dissapear over night.......and our players stay active......unlike larger fleets who just let thier member lists grow regardless if any of them actually play or not.... we know if all of our players are gaming or not.....

believe it or not its not just your way or the highway in regards to running a clan........its lasted us 7 and a bit years......and the way things are going will quite easilly see that time again.......

but before i make this look like an attack on you...just got to clear it up - its not....i respect and understand the ideals and principles on which your clan is run.....i only mean to point out that there are other systems out there in the big old scarry world that may not be the same, but work just as well

and again im sorry if this appears as an attack on you or your clan i can only reassure you that it isnt

[=GK= Darkstar]

I see no attack but a healthy conversation

I dont agree though, thats all, if you have a small Trek like clan like say, the UFDF who also have been going 7 or 8 years www.ufdf.com they are very feddy and proud of it, they dont play a lot of games anymore and dwell on their forums but they have a tight group and they are true to Trek

To say massive clans have loads of numbers moving right through though is only typical of certain clans, a lot of them fudge their numbers and dont do a monthly activity check like we do.

Also if you just recruit by invite only and after screening the person on Team Speak and in game we fine our retention of members is good and we have had the same core of members fior a few years.

I just think there are too many silly nooby clans popping up, causing troublein Bridge Commander or EF for a few months then dying off, they are the clans that really get on my T*Ts

[Logic]

Good topic fellas.

The most important thing to remember when being leaders of any organsisation in my opinion, to get the best out of the people who are working for you, is to treat them with respect. It is even more important in voluntary organisations.


We at BAT have also gone down the route of invite only. This allows us to, for want of a better phrase, to accept a better quality of gamer into our organisation.

I agree with Darkstar about the use of delegation amongst the group. My role these days is really to ensure the smooth running of BAT from the relevant departments that we run. I trust my 'command team' and we work together to continually evaluate our policies and structures.

[=GK= Darkstar]

Here Here

Empower your members, let them become leaders themselves.

[FieryAngel]

LOL there are some names here I remember. I love the thread, it's just too bad he is in charge again and needs to be removed from that command again

[Age]

Please don't Necro threads.

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