The root of the problem

[Growler67]

Darknight @ Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:32 pm wrote:

On the other hand vic, I agree about legacy, it was crap, but ST:O with maybe some little content added down the road could last for a while...have you actually played it? Just a question...

If you read the OP you woulda seen he's been in the Betas.

[Writeall]

Steve Angelis @ Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:25 pm wrote:

Actually I did not like Legacy as I recall saying, the controls were a joke, but I could be wrong. And me a yes man? Ya you say that, I do not care. Why? Because I have learned one thing. People and times change, and you are stangnant, which is WHY this place is dead. Last time I checked, the STO forums was quite active and people there are giving both positive and negative comments. I will openly admit there is a lot about STO that I do not like, but it is what it is and whining and complaining like a bunch of children about how sucks will not change anything. You want to call me a yes man, you go right ahead. I will just simply call you an old man who does not know how to get over his personal prejudice and a man who likes to complain about things to which you no longer have any say in. That simple.

I love how you are now putting words in my mouth for that matter. When and where did I ONCE say I was looking for a 'shooter or a hack and slash'? Please, show me a quote anywhere, and I mean ANYWHERE on the internet or any forum where I said that? This further proves how stangnant you have become. Anyone who does not agree with you and become a 'yes man', as you so kindly put it of YOU, is instantly everything you claim to not be. One way or the other with you, no other.

Oh, and for the record, I am not an XBox fan, never have been and I do not see myself ever being one for a multitude of reasons, none of which are really relevant to this conversation.

You are right about one thing, and that is that the Trek Community is not anything of what it once was. There is something that you seem to have completely forgotten though. STO was not made to make you happy and it sure as hell was not made to appease your need for self gratitude or whatever you want to call it. STO was made to make money and for, now, I am starting to get the idea that this last thing is beyond your current understanding, but hey, worth a shot, for FUN. Do you know what fun is anymore? People in there are having FUN, they enjoy it for what it is. Please, tell me what is wrong with someone enjoying it? If Cryptic or whoever wants to make a crap load of money off of people for it, hey, good for them, let them. People are playing it, they enjoy it, and to be blunt, with the way the world is right now, people are sick and tired of the constant negativity so they come online to have some fun and have some more fun, which, from seeing people in it first hand, they are doing just that.

Do you ever have anything good or positive to say about, well, anything anymore, that is not about yourself?

Just so this is on the record, no, I am not a huge fan of the game. I find the controls for starship flying too much like Legacy, which I did not like in the first place, and the ground combat to be not of my liking, and I will not be personally getting the game anytime soon, partially in part due to the financial problems I am having. Do you see me going around though bashing it whenever I get the chance? No. Why? Because, again, and this is I know a hard word for you to understand, people are having FUN with is, so why ruin their fun with a bunch of negativity that is not needed.

Oh, just to make another thing clear. Negativity is not the same as constructive criticism, which I am fairly certain they are taking in with welcoming arms, but again, I could be wrong. I am just a simply 'yes man'.

Hey, this is your forum, and if you want to post away all the crap you want about how much you hate STO and how it will die in ___ years or months or whatever, go ahead, your forum, your rules. Just remember why people are not coming here anymore, and no, it is not because of Cryptic and STO, but rather, your attitude towards the game, and to be blunt, everything in general.

Its interesting that you would go out of your way to write such a long response to something Vic said regarding this game...when in fact you agree with the basis of what he said in the marked paragraph.

[[DMZ]Dave]

Interesting commentary about Legacy and true, but to be fair try the UUM mods to Legacy then I would be very interested in listening to a more objective review, who knows you might even like the game with the mods .

[Growler67]

[DMZ]Dave @ Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:39 pm wrote:

Interesting commentary about Legacy and true, but to be fair try the UUM mods to Legacy then I would be very interested in listening to a more objective review, who knows you might even like the game with the mods .

Mods are fine, as "band-aid" fixes go but you are missing the point.

Legacy was a port, plain and simple. THe 3-D manuverability didn't exist as advertised nor did the "customization" of the ships. It was weak from the get go (as a PC title) though it had decent "eye candy" factor. I do not play comnsoles and so I cannot compare it to the other titles that were released by Bethesda.

As a long time Flight Simmer and Trek fan (NOT fanboi), Legacy was a piece of crap from a purely PC stand point. The interface was left handed and incomplete as there are SO many more command possibilites that weren't even attempted to make it more immersive without getting overly complicated. Mine was a coaster within a week and ended up in the bin shortly after that.

Legacy was WEAK, WEAK, WEAK and a crap waste of money to produce a weak port of a console game. I appreciate that there are modders out there that put in the time and effort to help rectify things that the developers overlooked or could've done better. However, it isn't their responsibility to HAVE to be available and willing to mod something that is brand new. Decvelopers these days are just falling donw on the job and are too easy to point the blame at deadlines set by the publisher. THe responsibility lies squarely on them to produce a quality product and that just isn't happeneing industry wide in many genres of PC gaming.

"Sell the hype and take advantage of a fan base, reap what you can as quick as you can, then let support fade and wash your hands of it." This seems to be the general business modelwithin the industry and THAT is was sucks. Fanbois who are dazzled by "eye candy" and spend their money on games are catering to the industry as they jump onto the company forums and beat the company drums. They want flash over substance and are part of the problems because of their behavior.

Take some personal responsibility and vote with your money. I do and advocate it strongly, and have been for years. Unless/until the industry wakes up, nobdy will ever get another quality title regardless of the genre.

[[DMZ]Dave]

Mods are hardly bandaids or fixes designed to repair a game that is crap, they are designed to enhance game play and I found that review out of touch with the community that make the mods.



As for me I like a good space shooter, all I am saying is give it a chance.

[Age]

Where did you get your information from Writeall as to how the subscription are going?I went over to the forums and it seems like players are already highly lvled.This game may not apply to the hard core Trek gamers but to Trek fan and Rpg it does.

It would seem to me there some decent models and the char. don't look to bad although I have seen better.It has the feel of an rpg where you are playing a role.it may not have other raoming around the ship but that would be hard to do in an rpg as there would be an instance in an instance if you know anything about rpgs.

The only thing I don't like is the price of the monthly fee.I am not sure how much bandwidth they are using but if it is very small unlike WoW.I would say the game should be frree with using the online store to buy things credits eg.

I liked the game from an rpg stand point sure it nothing like SFC series that I like.I would say if this game doesn't get the subscribers it needs.Then you may see more console games come out if publishers want to get license to make them.This is more or less the way the industry is going even free MMOs are coming out.

[Writeall]

Age @ Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:20 pm wrote:

Where did you get your information from Writeall as to how the subscription are going?I went over to the forums and it seems like players are already highly lvled.This game may not apply to the hard core Trek gamers but to Trek fan and Rpg it does.

It would seem to me there some decent models and the char. don't look to bad although I have seen better.It has the feel of an rpg where you are playing a role.it may not have other raoming around the ship but that would be hard to do in an rpg as there would be an instance in an instance if you know anything about rpgs.

The only thing I don't like is the price of the monthly fee.I am not sure how much bandwidth they are using but if it is very small unlike WoW.I would say the game should be frree with using the online store to buy things credits eg.

I liked the game from an rpg stand point sure it nothing like SFC series that I like.I would say if this game doesn't get the subscribers it needs.Then you may see more console games come out if publishers want to get license to make them.This is more or less the way the industry is going even free MMOs are coming out.

I would highly beg to disagree with you...this is not nearly an RPG. An RPG is Baldur's Gate...Ultima...Might and Magic...hell, even the lite RPG's of more recent days like Mass Effect...Dragon Age...Oblivion...Borderlands...Bioshock, have more depth than this game.

Trek fans? You think this game is Trek in any way, shape or form? Well, thats opinion I guess...so I respect yours. However, from my point of view, they've really missed the look and feel of Trek completely.

[Age]

Writeall @ Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:55 am wrote:

Age @ Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:20 pm wrote:

Where did you get your information from Writeall as to how the subscription are going?I went over to the forums and it seems like players are already highly lvled.This game may not apply to the hard core Trek gamers but to Trek fan and Rpg it does.

It would seem to me there some decent models and the char. don't look to bad although I have seen better.It has the feel of an rpg where you are playing a role.it may not have other raoming around the ship but that would be hard to do in an rpg as there would be an instance in an instance if you know anything about rpgs.

The only thing I don't like is the price of the monthly fee.I am not sure how much bandwidth they are using but if it is very small unlike WoW.I would say the game should be frree with using the online store to buy things credits eg.

I liked the game from an rpg stand point sure it nothing like SFC series that I like.I would say if this game doesn't get the subscribers it needs.Then you may see more console games come out if publishers want to get license to make them.This is more or less the way the industry is going even free MMOs are coming out.

Directly from Cryptic. This is my industry after all and its not my first rodeo. I would highly beg to disagree with you...this is not nearly an RPG. An RPG is Baldur's Gate...Ultima...Might and Magic...hell, even the lite RPG's of more recent days like Mass Effect...Dragon Age...Oblivion...Borderlands...Bioshock, have more depth than this game.

Trek fans? You think this game is Trek in any way, shape or form? Well, thats opinion I guess...so I respect yours. However, from my point of view, they've really missed the look and feel of Trek completely.

How is this not an rpg and how would you do it differently as to the second paragraph?

[Growler67]

Age @ Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:30 pm wrote:

.....even free MMOs are coming out.

Guild Wars has been out for years now. Higher than average price, but NO monthly subscriptions. Just sayin'.

[Age]

I know all about Guild Wars as I played in beta weekend events.