----------------------------------- Victor1st Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:51 pm Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- http://www.strategyplanet.com/stgd/images/new/gamenews.jpgAfter spending the better part of 4 hours messing with the stack of mods for Trek games i am uploading it suddenly struck me...why has the rumour mill calmed down? You all know what i am talking about. Not less than a couple of months ago rumors was abound about new games, new ressurected games infact on STGU and someof the other affiliates of STGU Lang himself stated that something was "in the works". Then...silence... Ok, what do we know just now? Well, come the 10th of March, only a few days away, the sets and cast of enterprise will be let go. Bakula, Blalock, Trineer and the cast will do there own thing and the sets will be dumped. As for the trekunited $3mil thing...well, that would fund...hmm...maybe 4 episodes if they are lucky? There is a convention coming up on the 10th (at least i think its the 10th) odd's on trekunited will take the stand and admit that there is no way they can save enterprise alone. They MIGHT have an outside chance with Spike...but hey folks guess what! Spike is basically owned by Viacom already, if Viacom or Paramount was so serious about saving this show dont ya think they would have moved it to spike and told UPN to go shove it? See my point here? Which leads us onto the one section of the franchise which has really suffered bad planning and a basic "we dont give a darn" attitude...the trek games franchise. Come on folks, admit it, for every 1 half decent trek game there was 2 really crap ones. If you look at the history of trek games its all there infront of you. You all know what my thoughts are on an MMORPG to be released in 2007, it wont make it, and if it does it will be severaly unfinished and riddled with bugs. Hell, they will be lucky if they make the 2006 beta stage. It's already march folks...a couple of more months we will be halfway through 2005. It took blizzard YEARS to get World of Warcraft just right and they are a well respected game company. They are making 2 games from what they have said... http://www.perpetual.com/pages/employment.html See that? The same job positions that they have been advertising since LAST YEAR! One of the games under development is severely under staffed by the looks of it. I'm hedging a bet that Paramount already know this which is why good old Harry Lang and Paramount has been forced into the position by the slow state of development of the MMORPG and the constant reminders by the STGD to concede and come out with the whole "another new game" line. Trust me, things are not looking to good just now in game land for Star Trek. You see Lang in STGU or on the official boards? Pressure him into giving out new info and not the babble that Perpetual are coming out with on the interviews... Don't bother to catch him on the STGD boards, he wont come in cause he has probably realised by now that STGD got most of what will happen in 2005 right. The MMORPG will not make the 2007 deadline. There...i've vented, now go out, get lang and prove me wrong :) Bet ya'll can't.... ----------------------------------- DisRuptor Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:25 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- :bounce Welcome back Vic - I don't think people will make a fortune betting against you. I have a feeling that you will be proven right. ----------------------------------- Victor1st Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:43 pm ----------------------------------- Actually, i made a rant post cause chessmess sent me an email saying my first official post back on with the forum for the front page was too nice... Need to keep them in there place...no one else is giving Paramount a hard time recently, may as well be STGD :) ----------------------------------- IKS-TranceEmotion Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:44 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- same old vic :lol: :fire ----------------------------------- Age Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:49 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- I have been doing some thinking on this and I believe it should be free to play the MMORPG when it does come out.I would say that they owe us trek gamers one with all the bugged games that we all got .It is like what Captian Kirk said to Captian Picard in Generations the Galaxy owes me one. This is after I have been beta testing Guild Wars and yes it is free folks no monthly fees to pay out and has a good support system and is a really great game.I was impressed and played it on the whole beta test weekend Friday evening to Sunday night.I would say that the new Trek MMO should be the same as Guild Wars no monthly fees.What is the difference when you buy a game you can play on GSA for free and an MMO :?: They owes us the trek gamers this one don't get me wrong I still like my StarFleet Command games and I always will all of them .They are fun especially when a new mod comes out or a new model or models. This MMORPG needs to be free to play to get every tek gamer onboard or we will resort back to our old favourite trek games and play then for free on the Dynaverse or GSA and or Cugs any free servers.To me I won't play it as much as it takes place after Nemisis and I am a 23rd C. trek fan except for DS9 .I like Captian Kirks era the best so why should I pay to play it once in awhile when it doesn't take place in that era.That is becuase I grew up with Captian Kirk era and like it the best.I don't beliece they are going to get a big player base out of this game as we are getting older and who knows what will be hip in 2007 or 08 maybe MMOs will cool down best try it now while they are hip.Thats my take on it. ----------------------------------- Victor1st Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:53 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- They wont make it free to play. Too much money has already been invested in the game and from what i can tell theres more cash being blown on this white elephant. Anyway, they have looked at the success of World of Warcraft and now they want to cash in. Too little... Too late... ----------------------------------- DisRuptor Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:20 am Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- :fire2 Most people want to fly starships - that's what all the games in the series have been about - and "kill" other people (preferably :smurf ) - I certainly don't want to play a red shirt at $15 a month. I'm sure a lot of people will play it, to start with - long term - maybe. I shall carry on playing the mods and waiting to see what else happens. Maybe the next time Paramount changes hands we shall see something different. :wall ----------------------------------- SeroK Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:16 am ----------------------------------- lol could you imagine it, paying $15 and getting a position on board a Sovereign (hey everyone does) and then not being able to advance further than a lt. junior grade because the ships so packed. Just walking around in circles so you can say "Yes, i'm on the Enterprise!!!!!!!!!" ----------------------------------- DisRuptor Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:40 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- :evil: My point is I want to be able to work up to command of a K'VortCha and blow up a Sovereign - without having to spend 15/7 "levelling" or proving my mastery of Trek minutiae to the canon freaks - who would rather waste time on criticising the exact shade of the corridor wall colur. ----------------------------------- flyingvirtual Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:18 pm ----------------------------------- i agree, i don't wanna pay that money for playing a stupid lt. junior grade, after making it trough an endless time in Starfleet Academy ----------------------------------- Jaz Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:13 pm ----------------------------------- for every 1 half decent trek game there was 2 really crap ones. Very True... But that has what bearing on the future? Its not paramounst fault for poor games, its us for buying them... (& not buying the good ones).. See that? The same job positions that they have been advertising since LAST YEAR! One of the games under development is severely under staffed by the looks of it. So you work for perpetual now? News to me...We dont even know how big the perpetual teams is, and they arnt even going to do the majority of art themselves anyway...its timesaving.. Vic, your coming out with the crappiest bullshit of all time...bashing a game which you havnt played, or seen. you call yourself a community leader yet you wont support any new game coming out? Infact, you dont seem to support anything that paramount does... STO has a massive budget & a decent and highly skilled team. They visit the majority of STO community sites, it doesnt look to me as if its a failing game, do you? ----------------------------------- Victor1st Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:40 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- Isnt it amazing folks that when someone from STGU leaves there forum to come here they turn into a raving lunatic like me, whats wrong Jaz...ya dont have chessmess around to hold your hand in the bad nasty STGD forum? ...and why dont ya attack anyone else who is aggreeing with me about the apparent waste of space thats been happening with forums being clogged up by questions about a game which will NOT BE RELEASED ON TIME? Jaz...your brainwashed, now go report your findings to STGU...go on...run along... ----------------------------------- Victor1st Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm ----------------------------------- They visit the majority of STO community sites, it doesnt look to me as if its a failing game, do you? LMAO...ohhh i had to tear this one apart... Star Trek: Starfleet Academy...you remember that game Jaz? Interplay visted HUNDREDS of fan based forums, including the TGW which is a VERY old trek game site which i took over in 2001. They promised the WORLD to the trek gamer. Starfleet Academy was released TWO YEARS LATE Star Trek: New Worlds...yeah, i remember when New Worlds was coming out, dev's all over the place, again, promising the world. Turns out they have to cut more than a quarter of the game content out to release the thing on time. Star Trek: DS9 - Dominion Wars...ohhhhhh yeah....S&S on the PR warpath along with the devs, telling ME PERSONALLY and THIS SITE that Dom Wars would be the greatest game of all time for trek gaming...we all know what happened with that game. Activision...promised us TOS, TMP, DS9, VOY and TNG games....did they produce? Yeah...only TNG games. Jaz, until you open your eyes and look around in the even recent history of trek games, or until you have spent as much time in the community as even HALF of the board members of this place has then i suggest you run back to STGU with the rest of the fluffy bunnies who are all in wonder and praise to there god Harry Lang. It is people like YOU jaz who have managed to undermine the very fabric of trek gaming, people like you who say "ahhhhh...lets give them another chance" even after the debacle that was Activision. People like you who will accept any 2 bit POS coded crap from a game developer who no one has heard of. Anyone else wanna prove me wrong with regards to the first post? ----------------------------------- DisRuptor Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:02 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- :) Hope you take your blood pressure regularly Vic - 2 days back and the wind ups start. In MY (NO one elses) opinion STO is vapourware until we have a Beta - probably in 2008 - so why waste time - I'm interested in whats around in the next few months. If thats only mods then sobeit. :bounce ----------------------------------- Jaz Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:10 pm ----------------------------------- They visit the majority of STO community sites, it doesnt look to me as if its a failing game, do you? LMAO...ohhh i had to tear this one apart... Star Trek: Starfleet Academy...you remember that game Jaz? Interplay visted HUNDREDS of fan based forums, including the TGW which is a VERY old trek game site which i took over in 2001. They promised the WORLD to the trek gamer. Starfleet Academy was released TWO YEARS LATE Star Trek: New Worlds...yeah, i remember when New Worlds was coming out, dev's all over the place, again, promising the world. Turns out they have to cut more than a quarter of the game content out to release the thing on time. Star Trek: DS9 - Dominion Wars...ohhhhhh yeah....S&S on the PR warpath along with the devs, telling ME PERSONALLY and THIS SITE that Dom Wars would be the greatest game of all time for trek gaming...we all know what happened with that game. Activision...promised us TOS, TMP, DS9, VOY and TNG games....did they produce? Yeah...only TNG games. Jaz, until you open your eyes and look around in the even recent history of trek games, or until you have spent as much time in the community as even HALF of the board members of this place has then i suggest you run back to STGU with the rest of the fluffy bunnies who are all in wonder and praise to there god Harry Lang. It is people like YOU jaz who have managed to undermine the very fabric of trek gaming, people like you who say "ahhhhh...lets give them another chance" even after the debacle that was Activision. People like you who will accept any 2 bit POS coded crap from a game developer who no one has heard of. Anyone else wanna prove me wrong with regards to the first post? So Vic, what do you want us to do? Not buy the next star trek game? Flame harry and several other sites to bits... Do you honestly believe that you, me or anyone else could actually influence the quality of newer games? How do you expect to do this when you cut the links with the people in charge...they're not going to resign, theyll just stop listening period....wow nice plan. MMORPG's are always late..I expect it will be delayed nothing new there. The things I have read to date Oh, no need to flame be about stgu...I dont see you giving much news about the future about trek gaming lately. I just do the news and content updates for STO...Eagely anticipating a new game..yet again Nor has there been much but slandering paramount, sto and sto fansites... What happened to going back to the old STCD? When vic are you going to stop posting shit on your mainpage and come up with new ideas that actually help the community. What did YOU do, that I didnt to stop poor quality St games...We all hoped, and we hope again...everyone else hopes. In all honestly I wasnt a fool for buying BC or EF2... I was a fool to buy SFCIII tho. Market forces determine the quality of product, we keep demanding and buying simply because we're trekkies. MMOs on the otherhand is a different market..perpetual knows to sustain its subscriptions it has to deliver or die... They dont need us to tell them what to do...they know the eexpectations already If you want better games complain to the new publisher whoever its gonna be.. ----------------------------------- Victor1st Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:01 pm ----------------------------------- So Vic, what do you want us to do? Not buy the next star trek game? That already happened with Dominion Wars and Starfleet Command 3/Elite Force 2, it cost S&S there license in the end (but it was due up anyway) and ultimately caused Activision to throw a hissy fit and sue Paramount and looking it at closely i now really cant blame Activision for sueing Paramount one bit. Flame harry and several other sites to bits... Do you honestly believe that you, me or anyone else could actually influence the quality of newer games? As far as i know only the STGD has had the backbone to stand up against Paramount and take on Harry Lang and this was even before the whole fall out betwen STGU and STGD back in 2004. Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO. Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time. All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out. All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007. As for fan sites affecting how games are made. 1993 to 1999 seen Interplay, Taldren and Microprose actually WORK with the community sites 10 times more than that mob from Perpetual is just now, take a look at the games that was released back then, they are all hailed as classic's. Blizzard works real close to the fan sites and there games have features and patch modifications that the fan base request. Star Trek games aint exactly new cutting edge technology, apart from the older games most of the new ones have bassically been "lets take an existing game engine and stick ships and phasers in it". If more of the fan base back in 2001 stood with the old STCD and the clans of that time we wouldnt be in the state of affairs we are in just now. How do you expect to do this when you cut the links with the people in charge...they're not going to resign, theyll just stop listening period....wow nice plan. What makes you think they are listening just now? As for cutting links to Paramount, not my problem, it will be Paramounts problem when this network is back up to capacity. MMORPG's are always late..I expect it will be delayed nothing new there. The things I have read to date So you are just gonna sit there and not bother to ask why? Why are they still asking for staff? Why has there been absolutely no concept shots or art? Why do they honestly think with the current state of the trek game franchise that an MMORPG thats pay for play will be viable? I asked some questions some time ago, they suddenly vanished off the STGD board for 2 weeks and didnt bother to reply and those same questions are still being asked and guyess what...no answer. Oh, no need to flame be about stgu...I dont see you giving much news about the future about trek gaming lately. I just do the news and content updates for STO...Eagely anticipating a new game..yet again Well if you have been paying attention you might have noticed that the site has been down for the past 2 months as for the future of trek gaming it's being handled right now by this site seeings that STGU has basically black balled the major fleets from your own forum. Nor has there been much but slandering paramount, sto and sto fansites... What happened to going back to the old STCD? When vic are you going to stop posting shit on your mainpage and come up with new ideas that actually help the community. I have only slandered ONE SINGLE STO fan site due to the fact they slandered us first by letting a moron post in there forum. Looks like you aint been looking close at whats going on...again...which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start. As for coming up with ideas to help the community...yeah i will...the STGD community cause none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD. Hell, even some STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA. Coming to think of it Jaz, why dont you ask Chessmess about him leaving the trek game community? Remember that? He said he was gonna leave STGU and leave it in the hands of Trickster, low and behold, STGD manage to get the first interview with lang who had been silent for 2 years and Chessmess comes scurrying back. He's left the scene 3 times already...i left only once, and even then i was still running this site. Dont tell me what i should do to help the community...for 2 years before STGU got big STCD WAS the community. They dont need us to tell them what to do...they know the eexpectations already They dont know, cause everyone is too scared to tell them...i aint. ----------------------------------- Katherine Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:06 pm ----------------------------------- The biggest problem is we are so used to averge to below standard games now we dont complain. Hell, perpetual could release whats is essentially Anarchy Online with phasers (anarchy is now 5 years old) and no one would think twice. ----------------------------------- Stylsy Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:20 pm Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO. Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time. All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out. All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007. What about all the forums Harry visits, especially startrek.com where people spoke of wanting new games, does that not count? I suppose Viacom don't have a lot of experience at product making. 1993 to 1999 seen Interplay, Taldren and Microprose actually WORK with the community sites 10 times more than that mob from Perpetual is just now, take a look at the games that was released back then, they are all hailed as classic's. Didn't you believe Taldren caused a split in the SFC community? STGU has basically black balled the major fleets. I'd appreciate it if you could link me to where evidence of this is. I'll take your statement under advisement, I can't remember why we never started a clan directory. which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start Yep we are really proud of him he finished our course with a distinction. If only I could find our training posts on the forum... none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD. Yeah, it was horrible of us not to link to your directories on our game sites and plugging your site's status in our news. Excluding you from using our news system was really harsh too. STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA. Again it was really nasty for us not to plug you and pay thanks to WT when we posted [url=http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/stgu/index.php?p=/interviews/harrylang07-09-04]the interview and claimed it for our own. ----------------------------------- Katherine Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:33 am Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- Your own members said it in other forums, Jaz was even one of them. What is it with you anyway Stylsy, someone doesnt agree with STGU's ideals and everyone gets upset. At least we dont ban the entire staff of a site from OUR forum. ----------------------------------- Jaz Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:22 am Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- Your own members said it in other forums, Jaz was even one of them. What is it with you anyway Stylsy, someone doesnt agree with STGU's ideals and everyone gets upset. At least we dont ban the entire staff of a site from OUR forum. I said what? I dont accuse you of much...I only complain about the bashing thats plastered over your not so gracious frontpage nowadays...how thats supposed to resolve Trek gaming problem god knows... As far as i know only the STGD has had the backbone to stand up against Paramount and take on Harry Lang and this was even before the whole fall out betwen STGU and STGD back in 2004. Me and Harry spent a lot of time on the phone and i TOLD HIM another game was needed before STO. Guess what Jaz...i was right...again...and not for the first time. All of a sudden Harry is saying we might be getting another game before STO is out. All the while the rest of the trek game sites was too darn scared to speak out at the hellishly long wait till 2007. My posts on stgu were quite clear I EXPECTED A GAME BEFORE STO..I think I even wrote this somewhere post-STO announcement. So before you proclaim a victory for yourself it was quite obvious that theres mroe than enough time before late 2007 before STO release for the license to be sorted and a game(s) to come out. So you are just gonna sit there and not bother to ask why? Why are they still asking for staff? Why has there been absolutely no concept shots or art? Why do they honestly think with the current state of the trek game franchise that an MMORPG thats pay for play will be viable? I asked some questions some time ago, they suddenly vanished off the STGD board for 2 weeks and didnt bother to reply and those same questions are still being asked and guyess what...no answer. Send mitch an email..No concept art or screenshots are released probably because of a marketing scam...I remember they did alot of this with SWG. Pay to play is more than viable especially when you have hardcore fans...infact perpetuals product will be more inelastic to price changes than other mmos outthere. Im pretty sure an economist or a businessman has the figures figured somehwere along the line.. I have only slandered ONE SINGLE STO fan site due to the fact they slandered us first by letting a moron post in there forum. Looks like you aint been looking close at whats going on...again...which isnt the first time some brainwashed minion from STGU has popped over here and accused us of something which we didnt actually start. STGU folk that started something YOU didnt start? links pls.. As for Startrek-online.net. You cannot hold the site responsible like you do for their actions. That topic was already locked well before you started your bashing campaign against them. I was very observant thanks...I pmmed that guy as soon as I saw that post and asked him to refrain from bashing as it would probably lead to something ugly... Well you took the bait regardless *shrug* cause none of you tubes have bothered to lift a single hand for this place when it kept going down, why should i spent my time bolstering up places like STGU when they aint done jack squat for STCD ot STGD. Hell, even some STGU members claimed that the Harry Lang interview which was STGD and Watertigers idea was actually CHESSMESS IDEA. Do you know why STGU/AU has never had a clan directory? Or many a mod directory as such...Its because of STCD/STGD...We sent all our members to yourplace in that department or did you forget about that? Did you also forget that you used the portal and got countless hits from that....and viceversa ofcourse. Did you also know it was probably much easier for the community that way? I ceretainly read STGD news when it was on there I didnt take asmuch notice before. As for people saying the interview is chessmess' idea links pls.... Coming to think of it Jaz, why dont you ask Chessmess about him leaving the trek game community? Remember that? He said he was gonna leave STGU and leave it in the hands of Trickster, low and behold, STGD manage to get the first interview with lang who had been silent for 2 years and Chessmess comes scurrying back. He's left the scene 3 times already...i left only once, and even then i was still running this site Really? 1) He left AU in the hands of Trickster - True 2) He went on temporary leave TO FIND A JOB 3) He just said Trickster & Stylsy was taking the helm. Thats once... As for the interview...Chess didnt leave so how he "came back" I would like know.. Dont tell me what i should do to help the community...for 2 years before STGU got big STCD WAS the community. Why isnt STCD the community now? Infact, does anyone listen to you nowadays...im betting half the hits are from people like me looking for some entertaining bullshit that you publish nowadays...keep it coming it makes me laugh occasionally (especially the parts where stgu is brought into the news somehow..somewhere..like the cause of all evil is a guy named Chessmess with a site called STGU with minions running around do his evil work ) :fire They dont know, cause everyone is too scared to tell them...i aint. Neither am I...feel free to read my carebear thread on the STO forums..or about the species (or the lack of) (which i might add has improved now)... Oh and some advice to you...the community would benefit if you kept your mouth shut. How you expect developers, publishers to take you seriously (or your site and even the community) when your bashing them, the publishers, paramount, the community itself and other fansites is beyond me. ----------------------------------- IKS-TranceEmotion Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:55 am Re: Taking stock of the rumour mill ----------------------------------- well about every mmo comin out late, i have to call bs, look at WoW, they said it was coming out on this date, and all around the world on these dates, and guess what, they were, the reason u pay for a mmorpg is because they ADD content, so what if content isnt realesed when it comes out, wait for a content patch to come out, i play WoW, and all i can say is that i cant wait for STO, full content at beginning or end thats my 2 cents :fire2